is this scamming? - Guild Wars Forums

kikkerbeer · Jun 05, 2011, 03:09 PM // 15:09

i was betting against this guy for lockpicks and ecto's

than i raised the stakes and said i wanted to bet my voltaic spear against his 25 ecto.

well we rolled and here is the result!

edited aaagain the names out by request

so yea he left whitout paying after losing -_-......

should i report him or will it just be ignored?

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Marty edit:

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Originally Posted by kikkerbeer, via PM 1 hour after thread close

the scammer contacted me ingame because of this tread and paid me like 15 ecto.

he wanted to clear his name....

Urcscumug · Jun 05, 2011, 03:38 PM // 15:38

First of all, edit his name in the screenshot, it's frowned upon on Guru to show other people's IGN without their consent.

Secondly, it's difficult to say.

From what I've seen, scamming is defined by ANet as trying to misrepresent an item or a deal, using false information, or bailing out on a deal after the goods or services were delivered.

This betting thing doesn't technically fall under either case. Personally, I'd consider it more similar to agreeing to do a trade and then one party changing their mind. Since you haven't lost anything it's hard to show exactly how you were hurt.

I guess the best way to find out is to ask support. You can also report him, but you don't get told the report outcome.

Alathin · Jun 05, 2011, 03:45 PM // 15:45

He has a gambling problem. Get the loan sharks after him. They will make him pay.

Ps. Oranges in a canvas bag and Phonebooks do not leave bruises.

majoho · Jun 05, 2011, 03:58 PM // 15:58

Yeah you should report him for scamming you in a bet, hopefully you will both get banned that way

Or in other words, I'm fairly certain gambling in game is against the rules so you should just not talk about it.

Hobbs · Jun 05, 2011, 04:03 PM // 16:03

Yeah, that's why they disabled /roll in outsposts, they turned into casinos, I don't think ANet approve.

kikkerbeer · Jun 05, 2011, 04:06 PM // 16:06

for 1: i dont know about you but when i get scammed i realy dont mind his name get posted on guru

2nd: if he has a problem with e posting his name here he can contact me ingame pay me 25 ecto and i will gladly remove it.

3nd:he started the bet i rolled then he rolled so ye its a bit late to bail out then.

(it's like poker when you go all in i show my cards he shows his, then the last flip comes out and then he disides to take his bet back)

4th: gambling in-game is not against the rules.

Dzjudz · Jun 05, 2011, 05:24 PM // 17:24

5th: his name is still in the screenshot

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Bristlebane · Jun 05, 2011, 05:24 PM // 17:24

There's really no legal backing of this kind of gambling, I'm afraid you're on your own on this one. It's just too easy to scam people this way, so don't do it or do it on your own risk.

Chrisworld · Jun 05, 2011, 05:36 PM // 17:36

Its the same thing as agreeing on a deal and then just not trading. Both parties left with what they started with. I've pulled back on deals before in game because I had changed my mind. It's a virtual world, not real life. Your actions and decisions to get serious enough to report hin for ragequitting after he lost a bet in a game scares me. The bet was agreed upon with an "ok". This wasn't physical shaking of hands or both parties typing in chat their full character names to lock the deal. That is more professional but even then, to be reported for this is just ridiclous.

mathiastemplar · Jun 05, 2011, 06:40 PM // 18:40

You still haven't blacked out the name... You wrote it in the chat /durr...

No, it's not scamming, since you didn't lose anything.

Urcscumug · Jun 05, 2011, 06:49 PM // 18:49

ANet/NCSoft might actually take issue with gambling in game, because it might have RL consequences. Lots of countries frown upon unregulated gambling of any kind.

Quaker · Jun 05, 2011, 06:51 PM // 18:51

No, it's not scamming.

Chrisworld · Jun 05, 2011, 07:59 PM // 19:59

Oh did I also mention that in your screenshot you said "he left XD" as in you were amused that he left. There is no sign of you being hurt after using an emoticon like "XD".

That, being your first reaction, leads me to believe that it was bullshit all along and that if YOU lost you would leave too and hold on to your Volatic. Say what you want but it's true lol.

kikkerbeer · Jun 05, 2011, 08:25 PM // 20:25

i just found it funny that i wonn with those odds i rolled than a thought Fck but then i was like zomg i won.

ques i pm him hen he's online if thats the only thing i can do.

Lord Dagon · Jun 05, 2011, 08:37 PM // 20:37

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Originally Posted by kikkerbeer

i just found it funny that i wonn with those odds i rolled than a thought Fck but then i was like zomg i won.

ques i pm him hen he's online if thats the only thing i can do.

this should have been your conclusion to begin with. trying to get someone banned b/c they backed out of an online game while doing a possibly bannable gambling offense is simply foolish.

you shouldn't do gambling. period.

Verene · Jun 05, 2011, 08:43 PM // 20:43

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Originally Posted by kikkerbeer

for 1: i dont know about you but when i get scammed i realy dont mind his name get posted on guru

2nd: if he has a problem with e posting his name here he can contact me ingame pay me 25 ecto and i will gladly remove it.

It doesn't matter if you don't mind, it's still against the rules on guru.

And of course it's not scamming. He's not actually under any obligation to pay you at all.

Venganza · Jun 05, 2011, 08:52 PM // 20:52

Gambling entails risk. In real life if you bet against a mean old dawg who doesn't like to lose big, he may pull out a gun and shoot you.

Why the hell would GW be any different?

You lost, he bailed... that's life, man up and get over it.

melissa b · Jun 05, 2011, 08:57 PM // 20:57

I would call it reneging - fail to fulfill a promise. Scamming involves acquiring something which didn't happen. If gambling was legal and enforced by anet than it would be a bad-debt and you would need to go to a collection agency (anet) and they could issue a bad credit report (ban) but since anet doesn't support gambling just laugh it off?.

Also, you can't really cry scam when you engage in something against the rules.

Edit old example didn't apply to op. You can't go to a judge and ask for a refund because the hitman you hired didn't kill your business partner.

kikkerbeer · Jun 05, 2011, 09:12 PM // 21:12

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Originally Posted by melissa b

I would call it reneging - fail to fulfill a promise. Scamming involves acquiring something which didn't happen. If gambling was legal and enforced by anet than it would be a bad-debt and you would need to go to a collection agency (anet) and they could issue a bad credit report (ban) but since anet doesn't support gambling just laugh it off?.

Also, you can't really cry scam when you engage in something against the rules. You can't go to a judge and ask for a refund because the wasn't the same potency as advertised.

in my country holland marijuana is legal but thats another thing.

i just spoke to him he said he diddent saw the toss ^^
soooooo i gave him the link to the picture and havent heared from him yet.

also everyone bets like who wil pay for cons /toss 100

Iuris · Jun 05, 2011, 09:27 PM // 21:27

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Originally Posted by kikkerbeer

for 1: i dont know about you but when i get scammed i realy dont mind his name get posted on guru

You don't, but gwguru does.

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2nd: if he has a problem with e posting his name here he can contact me ingame pay me 25 ecto and i will gladly remove it.

Guru mods will take it up with you, not him.

Jun 05, 2011, 03:38 PM // 15:38	#2
Urcscumug Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jan 2011 Guild: UNO Profession: W/	First of all, edit his name in the screenshot, it's frowned upon on Guru to show other people's IGN without their consent. Secondly, it's difficult to say. From what I've seen, scamming is defined by ANet as trying to misrepresent an item or a deal, using false information, or bailing out on a deal after the goods or services were delivered. This betting thing doesn't technically fall under either case. Personally, I'd consider it more similar to agreeing to do a trade and then one party changing their mind. Since you haven't lost anything it's hard to show exactly how you were hurt. I guess the best way to find out is to ask support. You can also report him, but you don't get told the report outcome. Last edited by Urcscumug; Jun 05, 2011 at 03:42 PM // 15:42..

Jun 05, 2011, 08:57 PM // 20:57	#18
melissa b Krytan Explorer Join Date: Oct 2007	I would call it reneging - fail to fulfill a promise. Scamming involves acquiring something which didn't happen. If gambling was legal and enforced by anet than it would be a bad-debt and you would need to go to a collection agency (anet) and they could issue a bad credit report (ban) but since anet doesn't support gambling just laugh it off?. Also, you can't really cry scam when you engage in something against the rules. Edit old example didn't apply to op. You can't go to a judge and ask for a refund because the hitman you hired didn't kill your business partner. Last edited by melissa b; Jun 05, 2011 at 09:30 PM // 21:30..

Jun 05, 2011, 03:45 PM // 15:45	#3
Alathin Academy Page Join Date: Feb 2011 Profession: R/A	He has a gambling problem. Get the loan sharks after him. They will make him pay. Ps. Oranges in a canvas bag and Phonebooks do not leave bruises.

Jun 05, 2011, 03:58 PM // 15:58	#4
majoho Forge Runner Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Denmark	Yeah you should report him for scamming you in a bet, hopefully you will both get banned that way Or in other words, I'm fairly certain gambling in game is against the rules so you should just not talk about it.

Jun 05, 2011, 04:03 PM // 16:03	#5
Hobbs Desert Nomad Join Date: May 2006 Guild: Organised Spam [OS] Profession: W/	Yeah, that's why they disabled /roll in outsposts, they turned into casinos, I don't think ANet approve.

Jun 05, 2011, 04:06 PM // 16:06	#6
kikkerbeer Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: holland Guild: easy Profession: N/A	for 1: i dont know about you but when i get scammed i realy dont mind his name get posted on guru 2nd: if he has a problem with e posting his name here he can contact me ingame pay me 25 ecto and i will gladly remove it. 3nd:he started the bet i rolled then he rolled so ye its a bit late to bail out then. (it's like poker when you go all in i show my cards he shows his, then the last flip comes out and then he disides to take his bet back) 4th: gambling in-game is not against the rules.

Jun 05, 2011, 05:24 PM // 17:24	#7
Dzjudz Furnace Stoker Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: gwpvx.com/user:dzjudz	5th: his name is still in the screenshot .

Jun 05, 2011, 05:24 PM // 17:24	#8
Bristlebane Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2008 Profession: Mo/	There's really no legal backing of this kind of gambling, I'm afraid you're on your own on this one. It's just too easy to scam people this way, so don't do it or do it on your own risk.

Jun 05, 2011, 05:36 PM // 17:36	#9
Chrisworld Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2010 Guild: Gameamp Guides [AMP] Profession: W/	Its the same thing as agreeing on a deal and then just not trading. Both parties left with what they started with. I've pulled back on deals before in game because I had changed my mind. It's a virtual world, not real life. Your actions and decisions to get serious enough to report hin for ragequitting after he lost a bet in a game scares me. The bet was agreed upon with an "ok". This wasn't physical shaking of hands or both parties typing in chat their full character names to lock the deal. That is more professional but even then, to be reported for this is just ridiclous.

Jun 05, 2011, 06:40 PM // 18:40	#10
mathiastemplar Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Denmark Guild: Jade Reapers [JD] Profession: W/	You still haven't blacked out the name... You wrote it in the chat /durr... No, it's not scamming, since you didn't lose anything.

Jun 05, 2011, 06:49 PM // 18:49	#11
Urcscumug Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jan 2011 Guild: UNO Profession: W/	ANet/NCSoft might actually take issue with gambling in game, because it might have RL consequences. Lots of countries frown upon unregulated gambling of any kind.

Jun 05, 2011, 06:51 PM // 18:51	#12
Quaker Hell's Protector Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Canada Guild: Brothers Disgruntled	No, it's not scamming.

Jun 05, 2011, 07:59 PM // 19:59	#13
Chrisworld Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2010 Guild: Gameamp Guides [AMP] Profession: W/	Oh did I also mention that in your screenshot you said "he left XD" as in you were amused that he left. There is no sign of you being hurt after using an emoticon like "XD". That, being your first reaction, leads me to believe that it was bullshit all along and that if YOU lost you would leave too and hold on to your Volatic. Say what you want but it's true lol.

Jun 05, 2011, 08:25 PM // 20:25	#14
kikkerbeer Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: holland Guild: easy Profession: N/A	i just found it funny that i wonn with those odds i rolled than a thought Fck but then i was like zomg i won. ques i pm him hen he's online if thats the only thing i can do.

Jun 05, 2011, 08:52 PM // 20:52	#17
Venganza Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Feb 2011 Guild: Fire	Gambling entails risk. In real life if you bet against a mean old dawg who doesn't like to lose big, he may pull out a gun and shoot you. Why the hell would GW be any different? You lost, he bailed... that's life, man up and get over it.